LF Amy to Ban Friendly Games
- Thread starter Captain Falcon
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Nah, I never said I win every game. Please refer to me where I said that instead of overexaggerating my words for your own argument.
But let's do the math, eh?
Let's say an average competitive game takes 5 minutes. Some take less time, some take the full 9 minutes, all depends on how many people and who your facing against. But 5 minutes is a fair estimate, if not generous.
You need 14 wins for a gold key. We'll say I win 75% of competitive pirate matches I play. The time to get 45 keys = (14 (wins per key) * 5 (minutes per game) * 45 (number of keys))/0.75 (winrate)
Comes to a grand total of 4200 minutes, or 70 hours (10 hours a day since keys expire in 7 days)
Let's say a friendly takes a minute to complete, with a 50% win rate. (14 * 1 * 45)/0.5
Is 1260 minutes, or 21 hours (3 hours a day).
So no, I do not earn more keys than friendly players.
But let's do the math, eh?
Let's say an average competitive game takes 5 minutes. Some take less time, some take the full 9 minutes, all depends on how many people and who your facing against. But 5 minutes is a fair estimate, if not generous.
You need 14 wins for a gold key. We'll say I win 75% of competitive pirate matches I play. The time to get 45 keys = (14 (wins per key) * 5 (minutes per game) * 45 (number of keys))/0.75 (winrate)
Comes to a grand total of 4200 minutes, or 70 hours (10 hours a day since keys expire in 7 days)
Let's say a friendly takes a minute to complete, with a 50% win rate. (14 * 1 * 45)/0.5
Is 1260 minutes, or 21 hours (3 hours a day).
So no, I do not earn more keys than friendly players.
As there's been a large number of responses to this thread since my last reply and I'm avoiding writing a paper I imagine my response is going to be far lengthier than anyone truly wants to read. I apologize in advance.
Sure. Except I almost never have a problem finding a competitive game unless it's 3 pm or 3 am. It's not hard to play competitively. I promise.
The reality is that this is not the only thing that made OG fun. There are so many things that are different now (we're all older, there are not as many players, most people don't want to just hang out and chat, etc) that friendly POTC is not what has taken a little bit of the magic away from the game. There are a thousand other things I would change before banning friendlies.
It's not entirely false. I played at least twenty competitive games yesterday. Were there more friendly games going on? Sure. But it did they impede on my ability to battle? Not in the slightest.
I totally get this. I hate participating in friendlies for a large number of reasons which is why I also prefer battle. I'm not going to pretend like it isn't a little bit frustrating when I see people who play friendlies winning things that I felt like they didn't really earn. At the end of the day though this is still just VMK.
I truly think this is the best solution. I'm in the same boat as you where I really do understand both sides. It's a tricky situation and I think separating the lobbies and limiting credits is probably the best solution to make everyone (decently) happy.
Because, technically, they are still putting time and minimal effort into it. I also don't think that they're earning 800 a game during double credits like one can do playing a legitimate competitive game. I don't care or have the mental capacity to do the math so don't quote me on that though. Just a guess.
Honestly, this is my biggest point for saying that friendlies are not a big deal. I understand that VMK can be important-ish to someone but at the end of the day, your actual life is far more important than keys on a game.
I think this a super important point. This is not OG so I'm not sure why people still try to pretend it is.
Because people are stubborn. I personally wouldn't mind moving to a different instance for battle but I imagine that most competitive players would be opposed to doing so as it takes an extra two seconds to go there and moving lobbies would feel like conceding and "letting the friendlies win". This isn't my personal view on it but what I imagine is the driving argument against doing so.
Matching a "terrible argument" with a terrible argument of your own doesn't really get us anywhere. I see this as a counter-argument to "it's just a game" often and it just doesn't strike me as very sensical. We can view it as just a game without having to constantly prove it by giving things away.
What time did you log on? I played dozens of competitive games this weekend. You may have to wait in the lobby for a couple minutes but it's not that difficult to find one as I mentioned way above in this post.
Sure. Except I almost never have a problem finding a competitive game unless it's 3 pm or 3 am. It's not hard to play competitively. I promise.
The reality is that this is not the only thing that made OG fun. There are so many things that are different now (we're all older, there are not as many players, most people don't want to just hang out and chat, etc) that friendly POTC is not what has taken a little bit of the magic away from the game. There are a thousand other things I would change before banning friendlies.
It's not entirely false. I played at least twenty competitive games yesterday. Were there more friendly games going on? Sure. But it did they impede on my ability to battle? Not in the slightest.
I totally get this. I hate participating in friendlies for a large number of reasons which is why I also prefer battle. I'm not going to pretend like it isn't a little bit frustrating when I see people who play friendlies winning things that I felt like they didn't really earn. At the end of the day though this is still just VMK.
I truly think this is the best solution. I'm in the same boat as you where I really do understand both sides. It's a tricky situation and I think separating the lobbies and limiting credits is probably the best solution to make everyone (decently) happy.
Because, technically, they are still putting time and minimal effort into it. I also don't think that they're earning 800 a game during double credits like one can do playing a legitimate competitive game. I don't care or have the mental capacity to do the math so don't quote me on that though. Just a guess.
Honestly, this is my biggest point for saying that friendlies are not a big deal. I understand that VMK can be important-ish to someone but at the end of the day, your actual life is far more important than keys on a game.
I think this a super important point. This is not OG so I'm not sure why people still try to pretend it is.
Because people are stubborn. I personally wouldn't mind moving to a different instance for battle but I imagine that most competitive players would be opposed to doing so as it takes an extra two seconds to go there and moving lobbies would feel like conceding and "letting the friendlies win". This isn't my personal view on it but what I imagine is the driving argument against doing so.
Matching a "terrible argument" with a terrible argument of your own doesn't really get us anywhere. I see this as a counter-argument to "it's just a game" often and it just doesn't strike me as very sensical. We can view it as just a game without having to constantly prove it by giving things away.
What time did you log on? I played dozens of competitive games this weekend. You may have to wait in the lobby for a couple minutes but it's not that difficult to find one as I mentioned way above in this post.
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@morgan Your right, while they won't be earning 800 credits like a very good game of Pirates would, it also takes much less time to do friendlies. Keys are earned in less than a third of the time for friendlies when compared to a winning player, I imagine credits would follow a similar trend, though I haven't done the math. And putting minimal effort (clicking join than having one person run a flag while they don't move) should not provide more reward than winning against players who are actually trying.
I just don’t think it’s fair to villainize friendly players by people who are known to not play competitive fairly and make it publicly known in their forums signature. You can’t deflect the fact that no one wants to play with these types of people by saying friendly games are the reason. Especially when most people don’t have trouble finding competitive games to play. I also still stand by my statement that double credit weekends make the “problem” of friendly a lot worse.
Not @ anyone specific just an observation
Not @ anyone specific just an observation
I just don’t think it’s fair to villainize friendly players by people who are known to not play competitive fairly and make it publicly known in their forums signature. You can’t deflect the fact that no one wants to play with these types of people by saying friendly games are the reason. Especially when most people don’t have trouble finding competitive games to play. I also still stand by my statement that double credit weekends make the “problem” of friendly a lot worse.
Not @ anyone specific just an observation
Not @ anyone specific just an observation
And you can dance around "not specifying" who your talking about but since it is obviously intended at me, I'm more than happy to talk about it.
Yes, I shoot when stuck. And I believe your wrong in your earlier post. Getting stuck is not completely out of somebodies control. Pirates is a game of skill, and the games hitboxes do not change between games. I rarely get stuck, and if I do, it's almost never more than a second or two before I can get out. Is that because I'm luckier than other people who get stuck? No. It's because I avoid sailing against and turning into the islands, especially in areas that are known to be easily stuck by. Let me repeat this: the games hitboxes do not change. It's the same reasoning as people complaining about shooting through certain rocks and islands. It's a part of the game. Obviously no one wants to get stuck on purpose, but the user getting stuck is at least partially at fault. Don't sail too close to islands and don't make Sharp turns into them.
If your done making comments "not" intended towards me, i would be happy to get back to discussing the topic at hand.
And I play with many people who shoot while stuck, and have been shot while stuck myself. I have never once gotten upset at that, it's on me if I get stuck and can't get out before being shot.
Friendly games were allowed in the original. I played them! How could you possibly ban friendly games? How would that be regulated? How do they really know if the game is actually being played without watching a group for 10+ minutes? And what if someone gets caught playing a friendly game? Ban the entire group? LOL
It's unrealistic to ban them. I play friendly games of ghosts as well. Wanna ban those too, or is it fine because it takes more time? I earn more credits by playing battle than friendly, so to me, its a bad argument to begin with.
As for shooting people when they are stuck, P1 is right. Its a game of skill. It's part of it.
Not attacking anyone personally on these issues. I just hope you understand that it's a game, and as long as no one is inherently inhibiting your ability to enjoy the game, I don't think this is an issue that needs to be addressed. No one is cheating by playing the game. Cheating is using multiple accounts or scamming others.
*no players were harmed while playing a friendly game of pirates*
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Edit: Plus, in other online games like Neopets, there are multiple ways to earn credits. Bank interests, restocking, stock market, betting games, etc. The ONLY way to earn creds here is to play games. Want less people to play the game? Ban friendlies.
It's unrealistic to ban them. I play friendly games of ghosts as well. Wanna ban those too, or is it fine because it takes more time? I earn more credits by playing battle than friendly, so to me, its a bad argument to begin with.
As for shooting people when they are stuck, P1 is right. Its a game of skill. It's part of it.
Not attacking anyone personally on these issues. I just hope you understand that it's a game, and as long as no one is inherently inhibiting your ability to enjoy the game, I don't think this is an issue that needs to be addressed. No one is cheating by playing the game. Cheating is using multiple accounts or scamming others.
*no players were harmed while playing a friendly game of pirates*
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Edit: Plus, in other online games like Neopets, there are multiple ways to earn credits. Bank interests, restocking, stock market, betting games, etc. The ONLY way to earn creds here is to play games. Want less people to play the game? Ban friendlies.
No, an exploit would be if I had someway to make others get stuck and shooting them. Other people making poor movement decisions in a game is not an exploit, lol. Am I taking advantage of their vulnerable position? Sure. And if Amy wants to fix the hitboxes on the islands so that it's harder to get accidently stuck and so you can't shoot through certain islands, I would support it.
