Clinton or trump?

Hillary is obviously the most honest politician there is. Let's talk about who LIED TO THE ENTIRE WORLD.
Just in the past year, Hillary: Never lied to the FBI. Never lied to the American public. Never lied about having a private server. Never lied about wiping the server clean. Never lied about destroying evidence. Never lied about mishandling classified information. Never lied about what happened in Benghazi. Never lied about the pay-to-play Clinton foundation. Should I go on?

At the end of the day, the American people elected Donald Trump as the next President of the United States. Nothing you can do about it now. Time to focus on what you CAN change.


I wasn't happy when Obama was elected and then re-elected, but I had to accept what was decided by the election process. Many of the positions he held I disagreed with, but he also accomplished things that our country needed. If we are passionate about certain policies, it is our obligation to vote in every primary and election (not just presidential elections) and maintain contact with our local politicians. If we do nothing, we can only blame ourselves.
Actually the American people voted Hillary. The electoral college voted Trump.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

:/
 

Gallifreyan

The Slightly More Chosen One
I wasn't happy when Obama was elected and then re-elected, but I had to accept what was decided by the election process. Many of the positions he held I disagreed with, but he also accomplished things that our country needed.
ya ok we've had bad presidents (not saying i didn't like obama bc I did) but this time people are literally fearing for their own safety. people aren't joking about moving to canada because they don't like some of Trump's policies. they're saying that because they are scared they might get their basic freedoms taken away because of the color of their skin or the religion they practice or their sexual orientation.

I'm sorry but did you feel any of that when obama was elected???? this election isn't like any other election

Like I don't know how many times we have to say this but this man's entire campaign has been based on racism, sexism, xenophobia, and homophobia. hate crimes during his campaign sky rocketed, and that was when he wasn't even in office. imagine what could happen.

i don't care if you're republican or democratic or independent but shame on america for electing such a disgusting man
 

Gallifreyan

The Slightly More Chosen One
Hillary is obviously the most honest politician there is. Let's talk about who LIED TO THE ENTIRE WORLD.
Just in the past year, Hillary: Never lied to the FBI. Never lied to the American public. Never lied about having a private server. Never lied about wiping the server clean. Never lied about destroying evidence. Never lied about mishandling classified information. Never lied about what happened in Benghazi. Never lied about the pay-to-play Clinton foundation. Should I go on?

At the end of the day, the American people elected Donald Trump as the next President of the United States. Nothing you can do about it now. Time to focus on what you CAN change.


I wasn't happy when Obama was elected and then re-elected, but I had to accept what was decided by the election process. Many of the positions he held I disagreed with, but he also accomplished things that our country needed. If we are passionate about certain policies, it is our obligation to vote in every primary and election (not just presidential elections) and maintain contact with our local politicians. If we do nothing, we can only blame ourselves.
Well to start off, I never said anywhere that Hillary didn't lie, or that she was "obviously the most honest politician there is". I never even said who I was for.

Secondly, both candidates have proven to be as equally as deceitful, the difference being Hillary owned up to her lies in front of the entire world during the debates while Trump continued to blatantly lie even more.


Also he was born into his inheritance, he didn't earn it through hard work, plus he's gone bankrupt what, 5 times now? But "he'll fix our country."
 
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His plan being what? "Make America Great Again," is that the extent of the plan? Enlighten me on his "plan" to better our country.
Obamacare repeal, healthcare change plan

  • Donald Trump had a healthcare reform plan based on "free market principles."
  • He said he would repeal Obamacare, reduce barriers to the interstate sale of health insurance, institute a full tax deduction for insurance premium payments for individuals, make Health Saving Accounts inheritable, require price transparency, block-grant Medicaid to the states, and allow for more overseas drug providers through lowered regulatory barriers.
https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016/Healthcare

Tax restructure plan
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan

  • Reduce taxes across-the-board, especially for working and middle-income Americans who will receive a massive tax reduction.
  • Ensure the rich will pay their fair share, but no one will pay so much that it destroys jobs or undermines our ability to compete.
  • Eliminate special interest loopholes, make our business tax rate more competitive to keep jobs in America, create new opportunities and revitalize our economy.
  • Reduce the cost of childcare by allowing families to fully deduct the average cost of childcare from their taxes, including stay-at-home parents.
Tighter immigration law

Trump calls for requiring a nationwide system to verify workers' legal status, tripling the number of immigrations and customs enforcement agents and implementing a tracking system to identify people who overstay their visas.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...mp-immigration-plans/index.html?client=safari

Job creation

"Over the next 10 years, our economic team estimates that under our plan the economy will average 3.5 percent growth and create a total of 25 million new jobs. You can visit our website, just look at the math, it works," Trump told his lunchtime audience.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-jobs-economic-plan-228218

Education

3. Common Core: “I have been consistent in my opposition to Common Core. Get rid of Common Core.” February 2016.

1. School choice: “As president, I will establish the national goal of providing school choice to every American child living in poverty. If we can put a man on the moon, dig out the Panama Canal and win two world wars, then I have no doubt that we as a nation can provide school choice to every disadvantaged child in America.” September 2016.

2. Funding his school choice plan: "If the states collectively contribute another $110 billion of their own education budgets toward school choice on top of the $20 billion in federal dollars, that could provide $12,000 in school choice funds to every single K-12 student who today is living in poverty." September 2016.

https://edexcellence.net/articles/president-elect-donald-trump-quotes-about-education


Here's his stance on further issues

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

I admit as a first time voter, may have made an illadvised and misinformed vote. Not especially privy on politics, but know better next time around when voting. I think I may not be the only one who didn't put voting in the perspective that Whispered has. I liked his post because he did in fact make a good point as well as Horse to become better informed and to put aside personal beliefs for the greater good.

In retrospect, I think that may be the problem with following the media instead of researching facts. Things are not always as they seem as Trump portrayed solely as a bully while he does have good traits as the same with Clinton. Trump may not be a nice person or fit for a leadership position as society perceives who would make a model leader or president, but he wants and will take action to make change to make America better. Overall, he can do some good for our country despite his bullish behavior.

I can try to clarify or provide more of my insight on any points if needed. Feel free to disagree, but that's what I think.

On a side note, I do agree with Democratic side on the importance of social issues but agree with Republican stance in the importance of the economy. When I initially registered to vote awhile ago, I was far left but things change as you realize there are more pressing issues to take care of first. Sometimes subjective reasoning must be put aside and objective facts to be put into perspective especially in the manner of the electing president and thinking of the big picture. In the end, I can see how Trump was chosen for president because of how he plans to resolve issues.
 
Obamacare repeal, healthcare change plan

  • Donald Trump had a healthcare reform plan based on "free market principles."
  • He said he would repeal Obamacare, reduce barriers to the interstate sale of health insurance, institute a full tax deduction for insurance premium payments for individuals, make Health Saving Accounts inheritable, require price transparency, block-grant Medicaid to the states, and allow for more overseas drug providers through lowered regulatory barriers.
https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016/Healthcare

Tax restructure plan
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan

  • Reduce taxes across-the-board, especially for working and middle-income Americans who will receive a massive tax reduction.
  • Ensure the rich will pay their fair share, but no one will pay so much that it destroys jobs or undermines our ability to compete.
  • Eliminate special interest loopholes, make our business tax rate more competitive to keep jobs in America, create new opportunities and revitalize our economy.
  • Reduce the cost of childcare by allowing families to fully deduct the average cost of childcare from their taxes, including stay-at-home parents.
Tighter immigration law

Trump calls for requiring a nationwide system to verify workers' legal status, tripling the number of immigrations and customs enforcement agents and implementing a tracking system to identify people who overstay their visas.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...mp-immigration-plans/index.html?client=safari

Job creation

"Over the next 10 years, our economic team estimates that under our plan the economy will average 3.5 percent growth and create a total of 25 million new jobs. You can visit our website, just look at the math, it works," Trump told his lunchtime audience.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-jobs-economic-plan-228218

Education

3. Common Core: “I have been consistent in my opposition to Common Core. Get rid of Common Core.” February 2016.

1. School choice: “As president, I will establish the national goal of providing school choice to every American child living in poverty. If we can put a man on the moon, dig out the Panama Canal and win two world wars, then I have no doubt that we as a nation can provide school choice to every disadvantaged child in America.” September 2016.

2. Funding his school choice plan: "If the states collectively contribute another $110 billion of their own education budgets toward school choice on top of the $20 billion in federal dollars, that could provide $12,000 in school choice funds to every single K-12 student who today is living in poverty." September 2016.

https://edexcellence.net/articles/president-elect-donald-trump-quotes-about-education


Here's his stance on further issues

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

I admit as a first time voter, may have made an illadvised and misinformed vote. Not especially privy on politics, but know better next time around when voting. I think I may not be the only one who didn't put voting in the perspective that Whispered has. I liked his post because he did in fact make a good point as well as Horse to become better informed and to put aside personal beliefs for the greater good.

In retrospect, I think that may be the problem with following the media instead of researching facts. Things are not always as they seem as Trump portrayed solely as a bully while he does have good traits as the same with Clinton. Trump may not be a nice person or fit for a leadership position as society perceives who would make a model leader or president, but he wants and will take action to make change to make America better. Overall, he can do some good for our country despite his bullish behavior.

I can try to clarify or provide more of my insight on any points if needed. Feel free to disagree, but that's what I think.

On a side note, I do agree with Democratic side on the importance of social issues but agree with Republican stance in the importance of the economy. When I initially registered to vote awhile ago, I was far left but things change as you realize there are more pressing issues to take care of first. Sometimes subjective reasoning must be put aside and objective facts to be put into perspective especially in the manner of the electing president and thinking of the big picture. In the end, I can see how Trump was chosen for president because of how he plans to resolve issues.
FINALLY! Someone with a proper argument WITH facts. I appreciate you taking the time to write this. ( I haven't read it yet, it could be completely degrading, but I appreciate the effort nonetheless)
 

Whispered

Well-Known Member
Please don't preach to us about how Trump is amazing and you are so happy that Hilary didn't win. Others don't feel the same way you do. Although I respect your opinion... but geez you dont have to break every little thing down for us like we are children and don't understand anything..
If you didn't read my post, I didn't preach about Trump at all. I stated the reasons the candidate it appears you support did not win. This isn't my opinion, it is the agreed upon facts in retrospection presented by major news networks such as CNN, MSNBC, etc.
 
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Whispered

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FINALLY! Someone with a proper argument WITH facts. I appreciate you taking the time to write this. ( I haven't read it yet, it could be completely degrading, but I appreciate the effort nonetheless)
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/[DOUBLEPOST=1478801331][/DOUBLEPOST]
I have no idea whether the Trump's rhetoric pre-election results will continue or not (his victory speech was surprising to me and something I noticed two nights ago), but for now there is this:

https://medium.com/@seanokane/day-1-in-trumps-america-9e4d58381001#.9hb4iwti8
I do not see any of those saying "Donald Trump did X". I see a bunch of people who used to do evil, racist things now doing them while saying Trump's name.

I will say this again. You cannot blame the actions of a few racists on Trump just because they quote him inappropriately or use his name.

That is the same as blaming Hillary Clinton for those who burn down things in protest of her loss. It's not her fault people are doing bad things.
 
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No, but you were focused on dishonesty.
Secondy, please reread my post. I never stated who I thought you supported. I don't even know if you voted. And if you did, you could have written in a candidate for all I know.
You may not have "stated" it, but you most certainly "assumed" it because you used Hillary as your counterargument.

So your idea of explaining why you voted for a dishonest candidate was to point the finger at a completely different candidate rather than back your claim with any sort of defense?

I'm focusing on the hypocrisy of your prior statement "I wish more Americans took the time to search out the truth" when you gave your vote to a man who literally can't stop lying. Hillary lied (past tense) and righted her wrongs, Trump continues to lie. See the difference?
 
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Gallifreyan

The Slightly More Chosen One
I would like to discuss, but will not as it may go against forum rules based on the topics.
While this may be a heated thread, it is important to remember to respect the community, Amy and the forum mods by following the rules in place.
please feel free to openly discuss this is a closed debates forums. or if not you could privately message me because i am genuinely curious
 
Reminder that in the last election, Trump falsely believed that Obama had lost the popular vote, said the electoral college was a disaster and that “we should have a revolution in this country!”
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He happens to find himself in that situation now (losing the popular vote and winning the electoral college) but it's fine now I guess because it benefited him
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Whispered

Well-Known Member

"What do the Israelis do that the Americans don't do? Well, they've had sky marshals since the 1960s. And racial profiling."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-safest-airline/ (4th paragraph down)

I'm getting tired of arguing with you...let someone else have a turn.
So you're saying that "didn't like the look of him" = "based on his race they chose him for extra screening". In fact, "discheveled appearance", which I quoted from the article, is waht the article is referring to by "didn't like the look of them". I've shown that. I was referring to one specific case, your article you cite refers to generally speaking. Furthermore, the CBS article uses "racial profiling" to mean "profiling where race is one of but many factors".

It was not a incorrect citation, it doesn't even relate to Trump. You have never once disproven anything I have said about Trump or Hillary.
 
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Trump is inexperienced to be president. He is a "businessman" (in quotes because he filed bankruptcy more than 4 times) people lost their jobs. How is he going to bring jobs to America or even make jobs if he's failing as a businessman. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nald-trumps-companies-have-declared-bankrupt/ Also, he encourages a patriarchy society, he encourages the belittlement, disrespectful and among so many other things against women http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-said-about-women_us_55d356a8e4b07addcb442023 He also is an xenophobe being very very very disrespectful towards African Americans, Muslims, Mexicans, and other groups of people. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...p-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
He doesn't care or have remorse for anymore, but himself. Trump encourages people that follow him to hurt others, separate them, and scare them. He encourages xenophobia, patriarchy, homophobia, etc. Even his Vice President, Mike Pence, is an inhuman person. ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-on-wrongfully-convicted-mans-pardon-request/ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ieves-up-the-hate-for-donald-trump-s-gop.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...nce-on-the-issues_us_57f137d5e4b095bd896a11db ) I personally feel like this wouldn't of happened if the Democratic Party had a different candidate because people were wary of her and didn't trust her. Also, because of her past and present history. If we had a different candidate we may of had a different outcome. (Trump: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...bout-uneducated-voters-the-hispanics-20160224 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b88670-a632-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html ) A quote from Trump's speech: "Now it's time for America to bind the wounds of division; have to get together. To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people." (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/politics/trump-speech-transcript.html?_r=0) How is he going to bring us together if he's been separating us this whole election?
 
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/[DOUBLEPOST=1478801331][/DOUBLEPOST]

I do not see any of those saying "Donald Trump did X". I see a bunch of people who used to do evil, racist things now doing them while saying Trump's name.

I will say this again. You cannot blame the actions of a few racists on Trump just because they quote him inappropriately or use his name.

That is the same as blaming Hillary Clinton for those who burn down things in protest of her loss. It's not her fault people are doing bad things.
Hi.
I did not say "Donald Trump did X" or intentionally try to give implication of that idea.
It's not certain that said "bunch of people" used to or did not use to do the same things under Trump's name or without it, just that it's being done.
I am not blaming Trump or giving any implication of blame. I only wanted to state with my post, that it's happening.
Thank you for taking the time to read.
 
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You are absolutely correct! He pointed this out and Obama did nothing to change it. Why?
On a side note, Obama also had the opportunity to push for tax code reform to eliminate all the loopholes that the wealthy can take advantage of. Why was nothing done? Who do our politicians really serve?
He didn’t point out anything to Obama. Obama won the popular vote and electoral college in 2012 (with 65.9 million and 332 to Romney’s 60.9 million and 206). As I said, in Trump’s tweets he thought Obama had lost the popular vote and won the electoral college. It would be unconstitutional and a violation of the 12th Amendment for Obama to change the electoral system anyways. To answer your other question, to say he did nothing about tax loopholes would be untrue. He has made proposals and called on Congress to close corporate tax loopholes for companies and individuals with operations or bank accounts overseas.
Obama acknowledged on Tuesday that the measures were incomplete. But he said that was because of limits of what the executive branch can do without congressional action. “I want to be clear. While the Treasury Department’s actions will make it more difficult ... to exploit this particular corporate inversions loophole, only Congress can close it for good,” Obama said.​
Much of the progress Obama (and other Presidents in the past) attempted to make has been blocked by Congress. I wish that people in legislature made decisions based off of what would be good for the people, instead of attempting to hinder progress because of opposing political identification. We need more bipartisan cooperation if we want anything to get done.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-tax-inversion_us_57044e42e4b05376618815a7
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-c...-Business-Tax-Reform-An-Update-04-04-2016.pdf
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...ax-code-responsibly-invests-middle-class-fami
 

pirateguitarchick

eyerolling is my cardio.
here's the thing: major media & celebrities endorsed her, their voices are loud & many people after follow that.
the difference between celebrities & majority of us in reality is by far a lot.
celebrities are set for their futures. they have their jobs, homes, the finances.
they can afford the high taxes and healthcare standards. they can afford mostly anything.
but the majority of us? not so much. as being in the younger generation, it is harder than ever to afford a living.
i would have to work more than 40+ hours at my job, to able to fully provide for myself.
and that's just myself, not a family.
millions of Americans struggle.
they have praised Hillary not solely on what she stands for, but because she had that "stardom" quality, like they.
she could of been the "first female president" and represent the "female empowerment" that's craved.
although, i agree it would be nice to have a female president, she just could not fulfill the what the average American needs.
love or hate Trump, i encourage all to wish for our best.
wishing for the worse, will only make things worse.
you never know in a few years from now the potential we have.
 
Plot twist, contrary to what Hillary and the liberal media told you, the following things are true:
1. The world is still intact and functioning the exact same as it was before.
2. Nobody has died due to the election.
3. Nobody has (yet) emigrated from our country.
4. Nobody has been deported due to Donald Trump
5. Nobody has been refused marriage, birth control, or forced to go through conversion therapy due to Donald Trump
6. Nobody has been affected by gun control laws that haven't not been made yet, due to Donald Trump.
... this list could go on.

Here are some things that are false:
1. Hillary should be president because she won the popular vote.
-- The electoral college is designed specifically to be a democratic republic. The USA is not, nor has ever been, nor should be a true democracy. In a democracy, the candidate would only have to win a 60% majority in the top XXX MSAs (metropolitan statistical areas) to win the presidency. This is overly pessimistic, because usually the candidate from the democratic party does much better than that in MSAs proper - Hillary won NYC by 87%, won the next largest LA area by 71%, the next largest Chicago by 74%, etc. Regardless, at 60-40 ratio of votes for candidate A in the largest MSAs, and assuming people not residing in the top 100 MSAs vote at a rate of 30-70, less favorable to candidate A, candidate A would win after winning 80% of the vote in only 39 cities, whereas with a more modest 60% win rate it would still only take about 100 cities for the candidate to win. In this method, candidate A could spend all of his/her time focusing on the top, say, 60-65 cities, and as long as they got some votes in the rural areas would be almost guaranteed an easy win. This, to be frank, basically disenfranchises the rural voters because it encourages candidates to spend all of their time in the large cities to rack up as high a vote total as possible.
-- The electoral college is in place to prevent mob rule. There are times that one vote does not equal one vote, yes, but that is because the electoral college acts as a statistical sieve to lower the likelihood that one group can heavily influence the election. In the electoral college system, the voting power is spread out between rural voters in Montana, whose votes *are* theoretically "worth" slightly more, and those who live in the inner city in Los Angeles, whose votes are worth slightly less. However, when you consider that there are many millions more people living in LA than in the entire state of Montana, it becomes evident that this system actually doesn't do enough to ensure that everyone's voice counts. In a true democracy, you end up in cases where the 50.001% of the population would be able to assume total control over the 49.999% who may, in fact, have completely different views. In this system, it is theoretically impossible to have a candidate win without representing a relatively large area both geographically and population-wise. The alternative, as mentioned above, would be allowing a geographically small but populated area to rule the entire country when most of the candidates from the populated areas may have no clue what rural voters and smaller towns actually want.

2. Donald Trump did anything illegal.
-- If Donald Trump did anything that would make him register on a watch list if found guilty (you know what I am referring to), he would either be in jail, or being investigated right now. This has been disproven multiple times, there is no current investigation because there is no evidence to show that any wrongdoing occurred. Regardless of your opinion on his statements, if you actually read them, he specifically said "they let you", which by itself implies consent. Vulgarity and crudeness does not make it wrong in and of itself.

3. Donald Trump didn't file taxes.
-- Donald has filed taxes every year (and been audited a large number of years in recent past). He didn't pay taxes one year due in part to a loophole created by democrats allowing him to take investment losses as a tax break. Basically, he was allowed to claim his loss in money due to investments going down in value as a reduction in his taxes for the year, and carry forward any loss over his tax liability to the next year. This, from multiple independent accountants as reported by the Wall Street Journal, is something both any businessman would do, as well as something Ms. Clinton had actually done herself in the past.

4. Donald Trump says outrageous things and means every single one of them, and has no concrete comprehensive policy ideas.
-- He uses truthful hyperbole, a literary device, to get people's attention. Let's also look back at when Ms. Clinton claimed to "land under fire" when in reality no such thing happened (and repeated that claim for decades until called out on it). This was another example of truthful hyperbole - she landed in an active conflict zone but not "under fire". Yet it's easier to say "under fire" than "I landed in an active conflict zone but not under direct combat". Likewise, it's easier to say "we're going to build a wall" than "We have a comprehensive national security and jobs plan that includes building a physical barrier to persons entering the country without the use of legitimate methods such as immigration checkpoints to protect our jobs and security"; it's easier to say "we will ban Muslims" (which he later clarified) than "We have a comprehensive national security plan that includes using religion and country of origin in combination to conduct a preliminary screen on entrants to our country to prevent radical Muslims from ISIS and other organizations from entering our country, without negatively affecting most well-meaning entrants."; and it's easier to say "we will do away with Obamacare" than "We have a comprehensive healthcare reform plan that includes the repeal and replacement of the Affordable Care Act with a plan that involves interstate plans which can be sold by companies across state lines with lower premiums and many plan types so that everyone can choose the plan that is right for them, while also doing away with certain requirements of the ACA that have increased premiums for everyone to pay for programs only some of the participants use, allowing people to choose plans with these programs if they want, but not being required to if they do not want."
-- See how much you wouldn't have liked to hear anyone sit there and tell you every part of their policy? It's your job (if you are one) as a voter to research the candidates policies yourself.


Basically, people who voted for Ms. Clinton seem to have underestimated the number of people in this country that vote based on true political issues facing our country, and not social issues. It's called politics for a reason, and politicians are not social justice warriors for a reason. Everyone who was surprised by the Trump win needs to look back at why they voted, did they vote because they support gay marriage, or did they vote because they want the US to become the world power it once was yet again? Personally, I voted for someone who I trusted to make America great again. Sure, I don't agree with everything he or Mike Pence support, but it's much more important to me that my children have the American Dream to look forward to than if I am able to get married to the man of my dreams in the short term. Social issues will resolve themselves eventually without electing someone who is politically inept (look at slavery, which was abolished with almost 100% republican and 0% democratic support, etc). It just happens that the GOP is slower to adopt social issues in their platform, instead leaving them ambiguous until a societal norm has been clearly established. I have no problem waiting for the GOP to adopt gay marriage, or abortion rights, etc, because I know it will happen eventually (and likely in the next 8 years). However, what I cannot wait for is the democratic party to adopt strong views towards national security, the military, immigration, etc., because I know it will not happen. The democratic party is more interested in social issues, which this election proves that the American voter is not more interested in than political issues. For this reason, I voted for Donald Trump, and I have absolutely no regrets.

Post scriptum: Please watch his entire victory speech, in which he both thanks Hillary for her decades of dedication to public service, and outlines how he will reach to all in congress and the country to make the transition and presidency as smooth as he can. He is being very respectable and modest about his victory, whereas Ms. Clinton chose to do something no candidate in recent history has done and privately call the victor then go to bed without making a public statement.

Post post scriptum: If you actually read this entire post, thank you. Hopefully it has opened your eyes as to how Trump won and why it's good.
I'm very very late to the party, but after reading this, I feel that it is my intellectual duty to point out just how misguided this is.

In response to your first 6 points: All of these are largely variations on the same claim, that 'Donald Trump hasn't actually done X terrible thing yet', however -

a) Claiming that "the world is the same as it was before", and that "nobody has died" or is seriously affected, is a reflection of the fact that YOU are probably privileged enough to not be affected by this election in a detrimental way. For millions of women/POC/LGBTQ+/immigrants, etc., the policies that Trump has proposed would have very real, very terrible consequences.
b) Related to that, you claim that "nobody has been deported...refused marriage, birth control, or forced to go through conversion therapy" - however, Trump is on record saying that we're going to have a "deportation force". Trump is on record saying that "there has to be some kind of punishment" for women who seek abortions and that he wants to defund planned parenthood. And Pence, his vice president, is on record advocating for gay conversion therapy. Perhaps these things haven't happened yet, but there are very legitimate reasons to fear that they might actually come to pass. These are far from being the only problematic policies he's on record advocating for, but even this small sampling shows how flawed your reasoning is. Trump and Pence have openly made statements indicating that deportation, restriction on women's rights, and restrictions on gay rights are on the agenda.
c) Any plea to just "give him a chance, he hasn't done anything yet!", is no longer applicable. In the days since the election (just to name a few things, because I literally can't keep track of every terrible thing he's done, there's just too many), we've seen him -
i) Refuse daily intelligence briefings
ii) Endanger our relations with China
iii) Ask if he has to actually live at the White House 7 days a week, thinking that the presidency could basically be a part time gig or something
iv) Lets his kids (who run for profit businesses he benefits from) sit in on diplomatic meetings, creating a massive conflict of interest
v) Has literally advocated starting a NUCLEAR ARMS RACE, which goes against what US policy has been since the cold war, and goes against what nearly every single foreign policy expert thinks we should do. We already have enough nukes to literally destroy humanity five times over, we don't need more. He has also, terrifyingly, asked "why we can't just use" nuclear weapons
vi) Appointed a ragtag band of idiots and racists to his cabinet, including
- Steve Bannon as chief strategist, who has expressed anti-semitic views (is on record saying he didn't want his daughter to go to a particular school because he thought it had too many jews), anti-asian views (thinks there are "too many asians" in Silicon Valley - fun fact, asians are actually underrepresented in the Silicon Valley workforce), and runs Breitbart, the website that (in addition to promoting racist/sexist/anti LGBTQ views) is the platform for the "alt-right" aka neo nazis.
- Michael Flynn as national security advisor, who thinks "fear of Muslims is rational"
- Jeff Sessions as head of the justice department, a man that a Republican Senate deemed too racist to serve as a federal judge in 1986 - one who thinks the Voting Rights Act is “intrusive,” and (allegedly) told an African-American federal prosecutor that he should “be careful what you say around white folks”
- Scott Pruitt, a climate change denier, as head of the ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
- And this one might be my favorite - he also has David Petraeus in the running for Director of National Intelligence - Petraeus, who has ACTUALLY, WILLFULLY, mishandled classified information! (But for some reason I don't hear Trump supporters crying "Lock him up!!!" like they did for Hillary who was actually cleared by the FBI)
In response to "Hillary should be the president because she won the popular vote":

You say that "In a democracy, the candidate would only have to win a 60% majority in the top XXX MSAs (metropolitan statistical areas) to win the presidency", that "A could spend all of his/her time focusing on the top, say, 60-65 cities, and as long as they got some votes in the rural areas would be almost guaranteed an easy win. This, to be frank, basically disenfranchises the rural voters because it encourages candidates to spend all of their time in the large cities to rack up as high a vote total as possible", and that the electoral college prevents "mob rule"

However -

a) Why is a candidate focusing all their time on the top 60-65 cities any worse than what the candidates currently do, which is focus all their efforts on the same handful of swing states? This argument arbitrarily assumes that focusing on cities would be worse than focusing on rural areas, but I would argue that if you had to focus on one of the two, focusing on cities would be better since cities represent the interests of a substantially larger share of the population.
b) The popular vote just means one person one vote. The popular vote doesn't weigh city votes more heavily than rural votes. The only reason cities would have a larger voice under the popular vote system is because more *individuals* live in cities. And areas with more individuals SHOULD have a larger voice, since they represent a larger number of lives and concerns.
c) Moreover, the popular vote system means that, say, Republicans in New York and Democrats in Texas could actually have their votes count for something, as opposed to the current system, where people often won't vote if their state is safely blue or red because they feel it won't make a difference.
d) Mob rule? Are you saying you prefer minority rule? Where the preferences of the majority are suppressed for the arbitrarily inflated interests of the rural few? How is this remotely justifiable?
e) Why do we care about geographic representation? Why is it relevant what state a particular vote is from? Where do you justify why individual votes are also all somehow expressions of state interests? Why isn't a vote just a vote, my individual preference, like the way it is in every other kind of election? Why should my vote count less just because I'm from New York? Why does someone from middle of nowhere Wyoming get a substantially greater say in who becomes the next president than I do?
f) Given that the electoral college already does give more weight to more populous states, why are you opposed to making this distribution perfectly accurate via one person one vote?

In response to "Donald Trump didn't do anything illegal":

This bit that you wrote here is probably what bothers me the most. You say that if Trump were guilty, he'd be in jail. This is just willfully ignorant of reality and the facts. If you read the details of the case, you'll see that he allegedly intimidated the girl into not coming forward, and when she finally was going to come forward a few weeks before the election, she backed down after receiving death threats. I'm not saying he is definitively guilty, but the fact that he's not in jail right now is far from proof of his innocence. Moreover, it's worth nothing that in the concerned case, there's also actually a signed statement from an eyewitness who says she witnessed the attack take place. It is also important to note that, in general, people who commit these kind of crimes are more likely to walk free than get convicted. Our justice system has a long way to go when it comes to cases like these, and I urge you to educate yourself more on how the system is stacked against victims. Also keep in mind, that for this girl to pursue her case, she would now have to take on the president elect of the United States - the power disparity and publicity alone would be enough for many to just give up hope on the case.

Now to turn to your defense of his statements on the tape - literally nothing on that tape "implies consent". Him saying "they let you do it" doesn't *actually* mean that they let him do it - it's possible, but him asserting that they let him isn't the same as them *actually* letting him. Moreover, the other part of the tape makes it quite clear what he was trying to say - in the tape, he also says "I just start kissing them...I don't even wait" - not even waiting seems to imply he's not exactly concerned with making sure the women he's kissing are alright with it. Him saying "they let you do it" is a reflection of the fact that Trump ASSUMES that they're alright with it. That's NOT the same as getting affirmative, enthusiastic consent. People weren't upset with these comments because of vulgarity or crudeness. People were upset because these comments show that Trump has a poor understanding of the notion of consent - and not getting consent is a CRIME. Let me repeat that. This isn't about crude language. I couldn't give a flying you know what about the language used. This is about the fact that he is on tape casually talking about committing a CRIME.
 
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