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I'm sorry but the second sentence is completely against the spirit of any "backseat moderating" rule.
If someone points out a rule, they are doing a favor. People may not know the rules. They may not know the exact wording of the rules. I'm sure they'd be grateful that the rule is being pointed out to them so they can follow it (the majority of well-meant people).
The rule needs clarification so that it states something along the lines of "attempting to act as higher than another user is not allowed. This includes quoting rules in an attempt to reprimand someone - however an exception is (and is limited to explicitly) someone pointing out a rule in a good-faith attempt to remind a fellow (good-faith) user of a rule they may have forgotten, one time, in a strictly quoting manner."
If someone points out a rule, they are doing a favor. People may not know the rules. They may not know the exact wording of the rules. I'm sure they'd be grateful that the rule is being pointed out to them so they can follow it (the majority of well-meant people).
The rule needs clarification so that it states something along the lines of "attempting to act as higher than another user is not allowed. This includes quoting rules in an attempt to reprimand someone - however an exception is (and is limited to explicitly) someone pointing out a rule in a good-faith attempt to remind a fellow (good-faith) user of a rule they may have forgotten, one time, in a strictly quoting manner."
You may not see it that way, but I've found that just about everyone else does. I don't see why time is an issue though? Isn't the point to make sure they know not to break the rule again? In that case, why does it matter how long it takes for them to learn this?
Honestly, reporting is better anyway. If time's an issue to you, then reporting is the best solution. A moderator will see the report thread (assuming that's how they've set them up) or email and hopefully they'll let the member know what they did wrong.
You may not see it as backseat moderating, but a lot of people do. I'll agree that some people actually quote the rules to help people, but most don't. The person's intentions don't really matter anyway, though. Like I said, it's often perceived as being rude. Why does a member need to remind another member about the rules? It's none of our business; we report and then go on. We do the same thing in game, so why not do it on the forum too? I'd compare backseat moderating to having a sibling that you're close to in age try to discipline you. No one ever likes it.
Honestly, reporting is better anyway. If time's an issue to you, then reporting is the best solution. A moderator will see the report thread (assuming that's how they've set them up) or email and hopefully they'll let the member know what they did wrong.
You may not see it as backseat moderating, but a lot of people do. I'll agree that some people actually quote the rules to help people, but most don't. The person's intentions don't really matter anyway, though. Like I said, it's often perceived as being rude. Why does a member need to remind another member about the rules? It's none of our business; we report and then go on. We do the same thing in game, so why not do it on the forum too? I'd compare backseat moderating to having a sibling that you're close to in age try to discipline you. No one ever likes it.
I totally agree, but who says only a few people consider backseat moderating an annoyance? Just because only a couple members replied to the thread about this suggestion doesn't mean it wasn't on their minds. I've seen others complain about it happening... they just won't say it on here, lol. Most of us come from other VMK forums that have had a backseat moderating rule, anyway. We're used to it. I guess that's why a lot of people are annoyed by it.
That's the sad part of the internet... Most people come off with that type of tone, even if they're not trying to. 
I can't think of anyway how they could prevent someone from accidentally giving off that tone.
I can't think of anyway how they could prevent someone from accidentally giving off that tone.
Not really. Everyone offends people at one point or another; sometimes it's unintentional, but just because it's unintentional doesn't mean you're not offending someone.
I still think the rule is okay, though it's a bit vague. It sounds like technically speaking, you could link someone to the rules in an effort to get them to see that they're breaking one. That's just a technicality, though.
I still think the rule is okay, though it's a bit vague. It sounds like technically speaking, you could link someone to the rules in an effort to get them to see that they're breaking one. That's just a technicality, though.
quoting a rule is not acting as a moderator, nor trying to act as one. quoting a rule is just that - quoting a rule. moderating include things like reprimanding, warning, excessive "stop breaking the rules". but a one time, friendly, good faith reminder of a rule is not backseat moderating.
this really looks like an attempt by the staff to just forbid any and all public discussion about them, the rules, etc. by disallowing any mention of the rules at all. -slow clap- because that's worked so well in history (both real life and online).
this really looks like an attempt by the staff to just forbid any and all public discussion about them, the rules, etc. by disallowing any mention of the rules at all. -slow clap- because that's worked so well in history (both real life and online).
Quoting the rules to try to put down what a person is trying to say just appears rude and makes you sound obnoxious. Like, you can't tell someone they're breaking the rules, when you have no position of power to do so, without looking like a smart aleck.
And actually it was a suggestion i made that a fair amount of people agreed on so like you can stop with the assumptions.
And actually it was a suggestion i made that a fair amount of people agreed on so like you can stop with the assumptions.
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