My Perspective on Recent Events
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I hurt for you, @Amy.
I hate that people are being so rude to you when you have given us this magical opportunity. I'm obviously pretty new around these parts, and I don't know Kali. I do know now that she said some pretty awful things. I wish just like everyone else that this never happened.
That being said...
I don't think you owe anyone anything or any sort of explanation. (I feel like I'll get a bit of heat for that, but so be it.) You run this game, and you have the power to choose who hosts this game. I personally would not have picked Kali for the position (only after reading what she said to Belle), but the thing is, it's your choice. Of course, it's great to have the "power of the players" thing going on. It keeps us playing because then you can give us things we want, like new themes and such. However, I think it's dangerous that we players have the ability to know the staff members well enough to be concerned with their business. And that's what it is; it's their business and yours. Perhaps the way to avoid this in the future would be to have the staff members take a small step back? Don't get me wrong, I love chatting with staff and getting to know them, but maybe it shouldn't be that way. It seems to cause a lot of drama. It would keep things like what happened to poor Belle from happening at all. That's my warm-hearted suggestion.
Amy, you have recreated a world we all loved as children and still love today! I'm forever grateful for that. These times are going to be very stressful for you, but I hope that you don't let people get you down. However you choose to smooth out this problem, know that I, and many other players, are behind you.
Thank you to all the staff members who left, who stuck around, and to "the new guys".
Keep your heads up! <3
I hate that people are being so rude to you when you have given us this magical opportunity. I'm obviously pretty new around these parts, and I don't know Kali. I do know now that she said some pretty awful things. I wish just like everyone else that this never happened.
That being said...
I don't think you owe anyone anything or any sort of explanation. (I feel like I'll get a bit of heat for that, but so be it.) You run this game, and you have the power to choose who hosts this game. I personally would not have picked Kali for the position (only after reading what she said to Belle), but the thing is, it's your choice. Of course, it's great to have the "power of the players" thing going on. It keeps us playing because then you can give us things we want, like new themes and such. However, I think it's dangerous that we players have the ability to know the staff members well enough to be concerned with their business. And that's what it is; it's their business and yours. Perhaps the way to avoid this in the future would be to have the staff members take a small step back? Don't get me wrong, I love chatting with staff and getting to know them, but maybe it shouldn't be that way. It seems to cause a lot of drama. It would keep things like what happened to poor Belle from happening at all. That's my warm-hearted suggestion.
Amy, you have recreated a world we all loved as children and still love today! I'm forever grateful for that. These times are going to be very stressful for you, but I hope that you don't let people get you down. However you choose to smooth out this problem, know that I, and many other players, are behind you.
Thank you to all the staff members who left, who stuck around, and to "the new guys".
Keep your heads up! <3
Can we all agree to make @Captain-Heather head admin of the game, because ever since she took over these forums they have been pretty rockin, just saying. Past admins, whom I won't name because everyone knows who they are, made life on the forums a living....uh.... you know...
Amy,
Thank you for your response to the community's request not to be silent.
I would also like to thank you and all the staff ( current and former ) for all the time and work you all have put in bringing this little gem of fantasy back to life. A place where we can be pirates, ghost hunters, go on quests, explore imaginary lands, be master traders, design rooms, or just be kids again.
It is a gift. Oh and clothes, clothes are very important.
I know this sounds like Pollyanna or Mary Poppins, but that is how I feel.
Life itself is a confrontation......we all need a little fantasy once in awhile.
Thank you again from the bottom of my heart.
Thank you for your response to the community's request not to be silent.
I would also like to thank you and all the staff ( current and former ) for all the time and work you all have put in bringing this little gem of fantasy back to life. A place where we can be pirates, ghost hunters, go on quests, explore imaginary lands, be master traders, design rooms, or just be kids again.
It is a gift. Oh and clothes, clothes are very important.
I know this sounds like Pollyanna or Mary Poppins, but that is how I feel.
Life itself is a confrontation......we all need a little fantasy once in awhile.
Thank you again from the bottom of my heart.
Yes, there is very few people on during the wee hours of the morning. And the people that are on? Are the same people that are always on during that time. A lot of which happen to be friends with a certain staff member.
When there is a true and tested auction feature on the homepage? That was developed for this very reason? If you wanted to auction off a stitch hat in-game, you would have used that feature. If you wanted to give a stitch hat to your friends, you would do what you did.
A tweet going out would be nice, so people not in-game could hop on if they happened to be awake. And making events where it takes the entire length of the event to go through 20 people? Many of those people your friends?
I don't have a huge problem with spontaneus events. Those can be fun. But why give out super-rares at them? Because your friends are there? You don't need to offer clocks and firewalls and stitch hats as prizes to make a game fun. But those were given out at these secret events. These events not on the calender, not tweeted, not posted on the forums. A firewall goes for about 40k these days. Clocks? I don't know to be honest, let's say 2 firewalls (Just a guess-timation here), so 80k. You know how long it takes to make 40 or 80 thousand credits playing minigames? I doubt it, you and the rest of the staff have never needed to grind away for hours at a time to earn credits for things you want. But it takes a long time. To give these items away to the same people who are on in wee hours of the night night after night? Makes no sense. Why can't you make these late-night spontaneus events have prizes not so rare? Recent HOST Prizes, retired items that are not worth a ton..you said you wanted to make these late-night games to make the game more fun when little goes on, but you can make games that are fun with non-rare prizes.
I don't know about any lack of trust in between staff, but i can most definitely relate seeing the amount of trust between current staff and the players (the remaining players, that is. seems more are leaving every day).
What she said was inexusable and immature for a person of her position in this game. Does she regret it? I'm sure she does now, given whats been going on. Do you seriously believe this is the first issue people have hard with Kali? Have you not read however many hundred replies that thread is up to now? This was not a one-time problem that we wanted an apology for. This was a series of ongoing rudeness and immaturity by someone with a lot of power in the game. Your reponse? Give them more power.
Person i can't name did this and other person i can't named said something i wont go into detail about...
You wanna know why the other side of the story is so much more compelling? It is the raw truth, not this dodging around the facts to make yourself not look bad in front of your remaining staff members.
And when like half of your staff walks out on you in the period of around a day, you don't stop and think "Maybe we are doing something wrong? Maybe we are not handling this correctly?". Or were you too clouded by your friendships with Kali to see that?
Yes fantastic job. After posting a post explaining nothing and letting us know our opinions don't matter, and ignoring that post until it reached 500+ replies, we get cookie-cutter apologies. That's it. And this is after all the immaturity and harassment that went on behind the scenes. Which part proved to you that they would be able to do it? The bias? The rudeness to players on both their staff and player accounts? When one of them called a 16 year old member of your staff a very inappropriate word?
Yeah, after the staff responsible for designing items and planning on the month left because of all this nonsense. "Mayhem" month is very fitting given the situation.
I'm sure it is. When everyone who disagrees with the incompetence and immaturity that was going on leaves, you are only left with the people who were causing the incompetence and immaturity. I'm sure everyone in the staff chat at this point is all fine and dandy.
With good reason, but it is difficult to see the flaws in your friends. It's a shame that it is a requirement for becoming staff/keeping the position.
Like when multiple staff were having a reasonable and logical discussion about the prizes and late-night event, and Kali comes in and says what she said? Who gets to stay? The people having the calm and rational discussion, or the immature women who comes in, insults people, and ignores what everyone else is saying?
So you really think that things will go back to the way they were, and everybody will simply forget whats happened? I don't know, i mean a lot of the people who do genuinely care for this game already left, so maybe soon enough nobody who cares about this will be left and you guys will have what you really wanted: A game where everybody loves you and accepts your decisions even if they make no sense and have no logical backing.
Was their chance not when they were HOSTS? They failed in that regard spectacularly. The amount of hate and bias and immaturity was huge.
So what they said in the other post was right, even when almost the entire community speaks up about how we really feel about a staff member, you'll just continue promoting them because they are your friend and you believe in them.
It's sad to see this game and this community going down this path, but it's obvious that nothing will change. You know, when the Original VMK closed, we (or most of us, since not everyone here even played the original) were all sad because we lost a great part of our childhood. This is 10 times worse. We're all sad now because a great part of our childhood is being turned into this ugly mess of hatred and drama and instead of enacting changes to help rectify the situation, you are making it worse.
A lot of staff have left. A lot of members have left. And more are leaving every day. Do you not see this? When people start jumping overboard on a sinking ship, you don't carry on like everything is normal, you find out what is causing the ship to sink, and you fix it.
If you want my thoughts on what should be done, refer to the previous thread that seems like it was completely ignored. Either my posts, or the hundreds that basically say the same exact thing.
Also, adding on (A little after i posted this): You consistently say that the past is the past and that they are sorry. Are there no consequences for the past? If there are no consequences for past actions (Especially when those actions turn into this whole ordeal), then obviously there will be no consequences for future actions
When there is a true and tested auction feature on the homepage? That was developed for this very reason? If you wanted to auction off a stitch hat in-game, you would have used that feature. If you wanted to give a stitch hat to your friends, you would do what you did.
A tweet going out would be nice, so people not in-game could hop on if they happened to be awake. And making events where it takes the entire length of the event to go through 20 people? Many of those people your friends?
I don't have a huge problem with spontaneus events. Those can be fun. But why give out super-rares at them? Because your friends are there? You don't need to offer clocks and firewalls and stitch hats as prizes to make a game fun. But those were given out at these secret events. These events not on the calender, not tweeted, not posted on the forums. A firewall goes for about 40k these days. Clocks? I don't know to be honest, let's say 2 firewalls (Just a guess-timation here), so 80k. You know how long it takes to make 40 or 80 thousand credits playing minigames? I doubt it, you and the rest of the staff have never needed to grind away for hours at a time to earn credits for things you want. But it takes a long time. To give these items away to the same people who are on in wee hours of the night night after night? Makes no sense. Why can't you make these late-night spontaneus events have prizes not so rare? Recent HOST Prizes, retired items that are not worth a ton..you said you wanted to make these late-night games to make the game more fun when little goes on, but you can make games that are fun with non-rare prizes.
I don't know about any lack of trust in between staff, but i can most definitely relate seeing the amount of trust between current staff and the players (the remaining players, that is. seems more are leaving every day).
What she said was inexusable and immature for a person of her position in this game. Does she regret it? I'm sure she does now, given whats been going on. Do you seriously believe this is the first issue people have hard with Kali? Have you not read however many hundred replies that thread is up to now? This was not a one-time problem that we wanted an apology for. This was a series of ongoing rudeness and immaturity by someone with a lot of power in the game. Your reponse? Give them more power.
Person i can't name did this and other person i can't named said something i wont go into detail about...
You wanna know why the other side of the story is so much more compelling? It is the raw truth, not this dodging around the facts to make yourself not look bad in front of your remaining staff members.
And when like half of your staff walks out on you in the period of around a day, you don't stop and think "Maybe we are doing something wrong? Maybe we are not handling this correctly?". Or were you too clouded by your friendships with Kali to see that?
Yes fantastic job. After posting a post explaining nothing and letting us know our opinions don't matter, and ignoring that post until it reached 500+ replies, we get cookie-cutter apologies. That's it. And this is after all the immaturity and harassment that went on behind the scenes. Which part proved to you that they would be able to do it? The bias? The rudeness to players on both their staff and player accounts? When one of them called a 16 year old member of your staff a very inappropriate word?
Yeah, after the staff responsible for designing items and planning on the month left because of all this nonsense. "Mayhem" month is very fitting given the situation.
I'm sure it is. When everyone who disagrees with the incompetence and immaturity that was going on leaves, you are only left with the people who were causing the incompetence and immaturity. I'm sure everyone in the staff chat at this point is all fine and dandy.
With good reason, but it is difficult to see the flaws in your friends. It's a shame that it is a requirement for becoming staff/keeping the position.
Like when multiple staff were having a reasonable and logical discussion about the prizes and late-night event, and Kali comes in and says what she said? Who gets to stay? The people having the calm and rational discussion, or the immature women who comes in, insults people, and ignores what everyone else is saying?
So you really think that things will go back to the way they were, and everybody will simply forget whats happened? I don't know, i mean a lot of the people who do genuinely care for this game already left, so maybe soon enough nobody who cares about this will be left and you guys will have what you really wanted: A game where everybody loves you and accepts your decisions even if they make no sense and have no logical backing.
Was their chance not when they were HOSTS? They failed in that regard spectacularly. The amount of hate and bias and immaturity was huge.
So what they said in the other post was right, even when almost the entire community speaks up about how we really feel about a staff member, you'll just continue promoting them because they are your friend and you believe in them.
It's sad to see this game and this community going down this path, but it's obvious that nothing will change. You know, when the Original VMK closed, we (or most of us, since not everyone here even played the original) were all sad because we lost a great part of our childhood. This is 10 times worse. We're all sad now because a great part of our childhood is being turned into this ugly mess of hatred and drama and instead of enacting changes to help rectify the situation, you are making it worse.
A lot of staff have left. A lot of members have left. And more are leaving every day. Do you not see this? When people start jumping overboard on a sinking ship, you don't carry on like everything is normal, you find out what is causing the ship to sink, and you fix it.
If you want my thoughts on what should be done, refer to the previous thread that seems like it was completely ignored. Either my posts, or the hundreds that basically say the same exact thing.
Also, adding on (A little after i posted this): You consistently say that the past is the past and that they are sorry. Are there no consequences for the past? If there are no consequences for past actions (Especially when those actions turn into this whole ordeal), then obviously there will be no consequences for future actions
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When you try so hard to do whatever you can to help make positive changes and stop the bully and get ignored it is hard not to feel victimized again. However, I am not letting that get to me. I am angry. I am angry that so many players will let the bully win. I expected so much more out of Amy. However she needs people and in her world the only people left at the admins. Sad thing is she is loosing so many people that truly care about this game and her. The punch in my stomach and those a many many players is real. The whole lets post 3 threads at the same time was manipulative and it was to draw attention. This is a highly orchestrate manipulation and it is not coming from Amy. She does not have the life experiences to pull that off.
How can Amy be so blind to all the players. I would say more but will not. I am just beyond disappointed in her. Look at the kingdom people it is empty. You have your pirate players but that is about it.
How can Amy be so blind to all the players. I would say more but will not. I am just beyond disappointed in her. Look at the kingdom people it is empty. You have your pirate players but that is about it.
I appreciate Amy and everything she has done for this game and for us. And I understand that she is being put in a tough position as it's hard to fire people who have become your friend. But come on, how could you possibly keep people on staff like that let alone promote them?????? Yes, people do make mistakes, but when you're in a position of power like that you honestly can't afford to make as many as she has. It's not even like there has been one incident there have been many and I am sure that there will be many more if she is kept on staff. Actions have consequences and it's unfair that her actions have been almost swept under a rug. Has she received any punishment at all??? Why is she being promoted for this? If a manager of a company harassed multiple staff members they would be seriously reprimanded for their actions. There's no way they would ever be promoted, whether they apologized to said people or not.
Pardon me, but this is going to be pretty frank:
People make mistakes yes, and usually when you make a mistake you learn from it and work hard to do better so you don't repeat that mistake. If you recognize that you've done something wrong, you don't repeat it. Kali has done the same horrid thing's to people over and over without remorse, and I'm sorry but someone that speaks that way at her age to a minor, and publicly harasses another person to the point where they become sick because of it and then they laugh at their victim is just evil. Simply evil. Maybe the meaning of trust has changed drastically over the last decade or so, but to most of us a trustworthy person usually has other good qualities like morals, ethics, common decency, integrity, respect. These qualities Kali and Absolem are sorely lacking, and it's a real shame you can't recognize that.
The fruits of your labor are being poisoned by the company you keep Amy, and I hope someday soon you realize this because I truly think you yourself are a good person, but the wrong people are leading you astray. I hope you find your way again soon.
People make mistakes yes, and usually when you make a mistake you learn from it and work hard to do better so you don't repeat that mistake. If you recognize that you've done something wrong, you don't repeat it. Kali has done the same horrid thing's to people over and over without remorse, and I'm sorry but someone that speaks that way at her age to a minor, and publicly harasses another person to the point where they become sick because of it and then they laugh at their victim is just evil. Simply evil. Maybe the meaning of trust has changed drastically over the last decade or so, but to most of us a trustworthy person usually has other good qualities like morals, ethics, common decency, integrity, respect. These qualities Kali and Absolem are sorely lacking, and it's a real shame you can't recognize that.
The fruits of your labor are being poisoned by the company you keep Amy, and I hope someday soon you realize this because I truly think you yourself are a good person, but the wrong people are leading you astray. I hope you find your way again soon.
I wonder if any of you have ever contacted an online game provider before. Do you think they will give you the time of day? Apoligise for things you don't like, act on your wishes???????
Please I beg you all to try contacting , hmmmm, Blizzard, Riot, Valve, and demand they make change, see what the response is. Probably something along the lines of "thank you for contacting us, NO". Its their way or the highway.
You have gotten apologies, explanations, certainly more than you would get anywhere else and still demanding blood!
Wow, just wow.
Please I beg you all to try contacting , hmmmm, Blizzard, Riot, Valve, and demand they make change, see what the response is. Probably something along the lines of "thank you for contacting us, NO". Its their way or the highway.
You have gotten apologies, explanations, certainly more than you would get anywhere else and still demanding blood!
Wow, just wow.
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